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Appropedia & your work000:02, 22 November 2010
Question about the Country category003:28, 8 June 2010
Thanks for your support113:35, 30 December 2009
Thanks again101:44, 24 December 2009
Thanks Phil110:40, 22 December 2009
Thanks for passing by208:03, 19 December 2009
«no subject»119:56, 16 December 2009
Thank you for your message and a note on Languages119:55, 16 December 2009
WikiEducator community116:57, 13 December 2009
Hello from Dunedin108:38, 2 December 2009
HI Phil013:01, 28 November 2009
Translation of110:53, 28 November 2009
Language codes at wikieducator.org210:46, 28 November 2009
Thanks016:22, 23 November 2009
Socialization005:18, 10 November 2009
Borders-Thanks101:49, 5 November 2009
Socialization past early childhood122:19, 4 November 2009
Such cute Borders and backgorund104:54, 23 October 2009
Hello Phil209:38, 19 October 2009
Lots and lots of thanks110:35, 11 October 2009
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Appropedia & your work

Hi Phil - just discovered your work, and from what I've looked at, it looks good. Are you aware of Appropedia, wiki for international development and sustainability? Very relevant to your work. Are you interested in sharing work from your site under the open license? (We use the same license as WikiEducator.) --Chriswaterguy 12:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Chriswaterguy (talk)00:02, 22 November 2010

Question about the Country category

Hi Phil,

I've been working on categories of late, although just around the edges because I don't think we have any real consensus on a vision for how they should work. One of our early efforts was to complete a survey of the current category structure on WikiEducator. We noted that there were two categories in which countries would be listed Category:Countries and Category:Country. Just looking at the structure, it's not clear why we have two listings. It wasn't until awhile later that I noticed the description of Category:Country: "Countries other than where English is mainly spoken". (I noted that you created this category last spring). But there are clearly English speaking countries included in the category: Ireland, Canada, Australia. I'm thinking that people don't realize the difference in the two categories. I like the idea of having a category of "countries which are largely non-English speaking" If we named it something more specific like that and then recategorised the countries, I think it would work.

So I'm proposing we do that. What do you think?

Thanks, Alison

ASnieckus (talk)13:56, 29 January 2010

Thanks for your support

Thanks a lot for your all helpUser:Rajnish Pandey

Rajnish Pandey (talk)07:32, 30 December 2009

Good to know you in WikiEd--Phil Bartle 23:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)11:31, 30 December 2009

Thanks again

Thanks Phil. Will upload my mugshot ASAP. --Bernard Lewis 13:25, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Bernard l (talk)01:25, 23 December 2009

Looking forward to seeing it. --Phil Bartle 13:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)01:44, 24 December 2009

Thanks Phil

Hi Phil, Thanks for the note on my page. That enabled me to visit your page and I have done so quite a few times. I'm constructing my page now. When you have the time check it out and give me your comments. Cheers, mate. --Bernard Lewis 09:38, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Bernard l (talk)21:38, 20 December 2009

A pleasure to know you and looking forward to working with you. --Phil Bartle 22:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)10:40, 22 December 2009

Thanks for passing by

Dear Phil,

Thanks for passing by my page. The list of alternative methods on your page is quite comprehensive. Great job. Thanks for the tips on formatting. I'll try that.

BTW... I noticed your nice template where you has a note and a profile picture. How could you create a template like that?

Hanaa --Hanaakhs 11:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Hanaakhs (talk)00:25, 18 December 2009

Thank you, Hanaa. Use your sandbox and create the text, with photo, that you want to use. Then let me know and I will show you how to make a template for it. --Phil Bartle 12:39, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)00:39, 18 December 2009

Hi Phil!

Thank you very much! Now I get the missing link. I got to copy and paste the syntax of a template into a new page. Whenever I use Template:The template name it appears on the page.

Superb! Thanks for the great tip...

Warm regards,


Hanaakhs (talk)08:03, 19 December 2009

«no subject»

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Last edit: 19:56, 16 December 2009

Hi Phil, Thanks for dropping in on my page to say hi. It looks like you have been working on yours for awhile and that you have been deeply involved in e-learning. I am just starting off and although frustrated at times - enjoying my journey very much:) Karen Caldwell

Karenc (talk)16:05, 2 December 2009

Great. Nice to have you as a colleague. If I can be of any help just ask. If there is any feature on my user page you like and want, eg borders and background colours. I will be happy to show you how. I started at the beginning of this year

Philbartle (talk)12:41, 3 December 2009

Thank you for your message and a note on Languages

Dear Phil, Thank you very much for your kind message. I am trying some things on the pages like the tag line that Alison kindly explained. What I would like to do is to put a language under the line or inside the explanation, I know Kim Tucker sent me an example but I still cannot get it the way I want. Maybe I am too fussy. I am amazed at your energy and experience. It is a real honour to have you offer any help. --Nadia El Borai 12:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Nadia El Borai (talk)00:52, 16 December 2009

I have colour coded my languages. The links I have made to each language is coloured the same as the backgrounds I use in each language (Yellow for English pink for rench, blue for Spanish, and so on). These colours in turn are the same I use on my Community Empowerment web site. Take a look. Phil --Phil Bartle 07:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)19:54, 16 December 2009

WikiEducator community

The 12 Principles of Collaboration. This is an archived version - there does not appear to be a current version.

All communities, on or off the web, adhere to basic principles in order to thrive. Mongoose Technology has codified these tenets into the 12 Principles of Collaboration which form the sociological basis of community. The 12 Principles function as a hierarchy. The chief principle, Purpose, is supported by the other 11 principles.

This seems like a pretty good "test" for a community. How does WikiEducator stack up to these criteria?

Vtaylor (talk)13:39, 13 December 2009

I do not buy the notion that a community must have a purpose. A community just is -- like a polar bear just is.

Philbartle (talk)16:57, 13 December 2009

Hello from Dunedin

Hi Phil

Thanks for dropping by and saying hello. I am just getting my head around the more intricate aspects of wiki editing and more importantly, finding out more about the community behind wikied. I don't find it easy to find things here but I guess that will change as I become more familiar with things. best wishes Sarah Stewart 02:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

SarahStewart (talk)14:03, 28 November 2009

Yeah. It gets easier --Phil Bartle 20:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)08:38, 2 December 2009

Thank you for your greeting on my user page! Your page is an inspiration!--redcamarocruiser 01:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Redcamarocruiser (talk)13:01, 28 November 2009

Translation of

Go to the people

Translated into Esperanto

al la homoj;
vivu inter ili;
amu ilin;
lernu de ili;
ekiru kie ili estas;
laboru kun ili;
konstruu sur tio, kion ili havas.

Sed pri la plej bonaj gvidantoj,
se estas plenumita la tasko,
finfarita la laboro,
la homoj konsente konstatas:
“ Ni ĝin faris mem.”


With kind regards

Montanesko (talk)08:50, 28 November 2009

Many thanks for this. Phil

Philbartle (talk)10:53, 28 November 2009

Language codes at

Dear Phil; I have seen that www. bg. de. es. he. pl. pt. ro. tl. are valid subdomains. Do you know where I can find the actual list? Who is maintaing this list. Regards « לערי ריינהארט » at commons facebook 19:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

לערי ריינהארט (talk)07:16, 28 November 2009

correction: I have seen that www, el, es, fr, he, hi, pt, ru are valid subdomains. « לערי ריינהארט » at commons facebook 20:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

לערי ריינהארט (talk)08:22, 28 November 2009

What I do is go to Wikipedia, and click on a language, the URL should start with the correct two letters for that language.

Philbartle (talk)10:46, 28 November 2009

Dear Phil, Thank you very much for encouraging me. I have already visited your page for several times. I will certainly seek your help whenever necessary. Thanks again.

Psanjaykumar (talk)16:22, 23 November 2009


Woh! You never stop to amaze me Phil! I could bet no "muzungu" knows that about africans,for example. To us looking your elder in the eyes,as you say, is a sign of disrespect. Looks like knowledge about such things befits all of us and is one of those OERs that is long overdue. Thanks.--Vkizza 17:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Vkizza (talk)05:18, 10 November 2009


Hi Phil,many thx for the cute borders.Oli musajja mulungi nyo!! Bravo--Vkizza 19:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Vkizza (talk)07:04, 3 November 2009

Do you want me to change the colours? Do you know how?

Philbartle (talk)01:49, 5 November 2009

Socialization past early childhood

The more borders open, communities mix and everybody travels, the bigger is a need for social training for older people. When my husband and I first came to the US as graduate students, our "English for Teaching Assistants" course included what I consider "social training." For example, we practiced standing at about a yard from the person we talk with - not more like in Western Europe, not less like in South America. Or, we practiced answering questions within 2-3 seconds, not up to one minute, as in China or Eastern Europe.

Also, autistic people may need more explicit learning in this area.

Most people who enter social media need socialization help learning netiquette. For example, in the last couple of years, many 50+ people joined FaceBook, and many 25- people started to leave it as the social climate there changed so much.

People who enter a new profession, which more and more people need to do repeatedly during their life, also have to learn, or create if the profession is new, different social norms.

Changing social norms consciously is another big part of social learning. It's something we have to teach kids more than we do now. Community forming, social norm design and establishment, changing existing social norms, and recognizing the non-malleable ones.

MariaDroujkova (talk)00:15, 4 November 2009

Good points, all

Philbartle (talk)22:19, 4 November 2009

Such cute Borders and backgorund

Hi Phil, Your pages really rocks. How on earth do you make them? I could not figure out from the code!! Thanks in advance

Vkizza (talk)00:38, 23 October 2009

I used the WikiED method. I stole them from other pages I liked. Only thing is to adjust the colour and borders.

Philbartle (talk)04:54, 23 October 2009

Hello Phil

Hello Phil,

Very nice page! I have yet to make some changes to mine but have been very busy lately.

I do see much potential in open authoring tools, particularly in countries where quality curriculum materials are unaffordable. The ability to reproduce curricula at only the cost of publishing or printing material can make such material accessible more readily and more equitable.

My only concern is that the Creative Commons license under which Wikieducator operates allows material to be used for commercial purposes. How, then, does one prevent businesses whose only interest is to maximize profits, from exploiting this medium? I feel that information in the public domain should be available at no cost as I think most educators who contribute to it do so in the spirit of open learning.

What are your thoughts?

Warm regards, Bernadette

Rego b (talk)16:20, 30 June 2009

I agree with you. I think we cannot stop entrepreneurs from picking up free material and selling it elsewhere. --Phil Bartle 22:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)10:47, 11 October 2009

Very good. Thoughtful

Philbartle (talk)09:38, 19 October 2009

Lots and lots of thanks

Hi Phil, I am an ardent reader of your "rants" and I must say they are next to a life line to me! Which made me read all the archives and this latest one comes at a time when we in the Ugandan group are bracing ourselves on this journey of OERs hence the advice particularly in the last line and I quote "...As we develop OERs (Open Educational Resources) we must not just parrot tired and worn approaches used in the classroom. We need to provide the best, and that includes a call for more analysis of the needs of the students and of the topics, and a willingness to be creative, novel and experimental" can't have come at a better time for us and I am now frantically circulating it to all my colleagues.
Vincent --Vkizza 16:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Vkizza (talk)04:52, 11 October 2009

Oliotia sebo. Thanks, Vincent. All the best to the Ugandan group. If i an be of any assistance at all, please let me know. --Phil Bartle 22:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Philbartle (talk)10:35, 11 October 2009
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